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Are you on public assistance? Dumbass!!! Its YOUR Fault
Published on March 30, 2005 By joeKnowledge In The Environment
This is a retort to what Frogboy said within an acticle about Terry Schiavo:
In fact, why stop there? How about the people are incapable of feeding themselves without government subsidies? Billions are spent providing food to people who somehow have managed to screw up their lives to the point that they can't afford to pay for their own food. Should we stop providing them food?


Granted that this quote was just to make a point but in reality, many here at Joe User would agree with this. Poor people are stupid bafoons who just take up space because they are too scared to work hard enough. "Why don't they just pull themselves up by their own boot straps?"

In order to 'pull yourself up by your own boot straps' you have to have boot straps to do so.


There is a major thought to those, it seems, who have that it is something every one can get if they just work hard.
You don't have savings? You didn't work hard enough.
You don't have health coverage? You didn't work hard enough.
You job pays you 7 dollars an hour? Your IQ is too low anyway.
No education? No food? One or more kids? Who's fault is that?


Lets be honest here about life: Shit happens.
Abused wife ends up on welfare: Its her fault
Man looses job (low wage job) so he didn't earn enough for savings: Its his fault
Unemployment runs out and savings is spent: Your fault, you must have did something
Employer refuses you unemployment: Your fault
Get hurt in an accident: You did it, not me
Fresh out of college and haven't found anything: You should have been at the top of the class then
One of your kids get sick: Who told you to have kids?
Wife or husband dies: Your just a sucker anyway
Parental care: Your parents should have worked harder
I have 2 jobs but don't make enough for insurance or to save anything: I bet you did something in your life to be in that place



What I also here from some Joe Users is that 'I used to be poor and everybody I knew was a dumbass'. One person wrote, "I work with public assisance people and they are dumbasses."

I find that most people who think this way tend to be the following (this is where I get judgemental)
Never was an adult who was poor
Never was an adult with kids who was/is poor
Can't tell when someone is just trying to look big when they actually feel small
Feels that, through hard work ONLY, they made it and there is an AWESOME amount of space for you to make it too
They just know what it is like to grow up in a poor community with one parent with a poor school
There can be no reason why someone could POSSIBILY be on public assistance
Most jobs in the US pay 30,000 a year so there is no reason to be someone who stays in a entry level job
Medical bills don't effect
Not eating allows you to think better in school growing up
Working 2 jobs and going to school is easy and look someone made it, why can't you?
If you don't have money, then just get a job. It doesn't cost money to get a job




I guess I could keep going. I am personally on public assisnace and I can tell you NO ONE is proud of it (except for a few). I can tall you that some people talk real big about how they can cheat the system but it is all a major front. I personally don't like being fingerprinted and inspected to see why I need public assisntace. I don't like having a public asistance car and having to use it to by food. Neither does most of the people I met (or have ever met living in a poor nieghborhood). I don't like having to tell personal information over and over again just to get a meal.

But someone love doing this somewhere. I haven't talk to them yet.

I'll admit there are some charaters. One person I met just wouldn't do what it took to get a job. Another outright said that she was not going to work. These examples are more like 2 out of 15.

I, for one, would like to know if anyone hear knows when someone is bliffing or 'putting up a front'. This happens quite often in public assistance. I hear allot of talk about what to do, how to cheat, what we should demand and how good it is to get free food and medical... even a cash stipend after a few weks and payments for rent.

'I'm getting me a new cell phone' says one, 'I'm going club hopping' says another. 'My mom gives me some of the rent money back so I am ok' another says. What actually happens? No cell phone, no club hopping (or it happens once) and one person still has the privlege to say he gets money from his mother but later tells me that she said you better get a job or else.

Also, when your or poor, at time you do not want to let other people think your beter han them. So you say stuff that you would not do or don't say that you would do something that would be considered 'uppitty'.

I am going to use the money for school... you'll hardly hear that said but it is done. I'll use the money to get me some work clothes... another no-no. If some people have to go to a 'safe house' just to change their clothes to go to work so that they don't leave their house looking like they work, I doubt he would mention that the extra money will go to work clothes.


As far as IQ is conserned... these dumb people tend to have WAY better human communication skilss then those who have that high IQ. IQ test have been know to only focus on a few mental abilities. I am not sure why IQ's tend to be the 'end to be all' in judging why someone can't make it.

I also disagree with the idea that if you work hard enough you will make it. The truth is that there is only room for so many people to get paid 30,000 a year. There are only so many slots at harvard. not everyone gan get A's and B's in school and inFACT the grading scale is et to make a distintion between who is the smartest and who is the... dumbest. So no matter whow smart you are, if someone is smarter you get a lower grade. Trust me, if everyone in one school got A's and B's there would be an investigation of the schools teachers and test scores. someone HAS TO FAIL.

Everyone can not be a millionaire, evryone can not be midle class (hence the name middle). More people are going to be working class (Why? because most jobs are entry level and entry level jobs tend to lead nowhere within most companies). Then you have the poor; the people who did something stupid in their lives to deserve such a fate.

So if your poor, raise your hand and be proud! if you see a job that will pay you money, pass it because you don't need it. Your stupid and you must have done something wrong so don't bother to try anymore. Just stay where you are. Why give up free money??? It will last forever!

Poor people are stupid.



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on Nov 22, 2006

Well if I'm too stupid, and maybe I am, to get it, why are you wasting your precious expensive time?

I don't think you're stupid. If I did, I would have removed your ability to particpiate on my blogs. I think you're naive but that is a different thing.

If you want to be rich, all you have to do is work, and sacrifice, leverage your skills, and time, build new skills, invest, do what it takes to become rich. If you want to develop other areas of your life, beyond the economic realm which is what most people choose to do, right or wrong, middle class or not, life is not all about making money.

I absolutely agree. Money is a means to an end. It's just a tool.

So the question is, what causes the people who are living in poverty who wish they weren't in poverty to be in poverty? The answer is either a) they're disabled or they're dumb and unmotivated.

If I'm really the silly youth of 25 that knows nothing of history, current events, Islam, and poverty and it's effects on people why debate/discuss with moi? Have I ever given you a reason to not believe people should be responsible for themselves, not try to do their best, not sacrifice, keep their eye on the prize at the end of their goals, improve their life? Stupid or smart?

I think you know history reasonably enough. 

But yes, you definitely give reason to think people aren't responsible for themselves.  When you make endless excuses for other people's bad behavior, that is robbing those people of responsibility.

When you make arguments that are based on feelings rather than on facts, you are removing responsibility from the equation.

In this discussion you have gone through great lengths to try to "prove" something that is not really disputed -- that a random sampling of impoverished people will show that they're stupid.  That their being impoverished is due to their decisions and their mistakes that result from not being smart enough to know how to function in our society. 

In my opinion I don't find intelligence to be a determining factor in wealth, but I don't have any studies to back it up just personal thoughts and observations. Which I'll share with you for free. Because I am just that nice.

Again, this is one of those logic errors you keep making in these discussions.  Where did I argue that intelligence makes someone wealthy? I didn't.  I said that lack of intelligence is a key ingredient to being persistently poor.

As someone who grew up poor (and not "poor" as in can't afford a Playstation 3 poor but poor as in food being a concern) I have had ample opportunity to observe poor adults. But beyond that, I also have real world facts to go by too that corraborate what I saw first hand.

 

on Nov 22, 2006

"naive young person" You got it

So what do you think of the correlation of illegitimate children to poverty? Pretty close aye?

Well it gets back to what you said earlier:

What makes someone poor is that they lack the skills necessary to function in society. I think that part you nailed.

The problem is that THAT isn't a root cause. That is a symptom of the root cause which is a lack of intelligence.

People who lack intelligence tend to not be able to consider the consequences of their actions, to look ahead and see what they should do. 

That is how you end up with people who are on drugs or are having children they can't afford. They aren't considering the consequences of their actions.

on Nov 22, 2006
Well I just tend to read into things a bit deeper, if that appears to be feelings rather then fact, well a lot of world events are feeling based, facts are important but sometimes the facts change. Especially in recent history.

Regarding the povery and stupid people, I was just trying to push your buttons a bit to see what I can get away with.

Sorry bout that. But you got me I am not as exprienced as most in lots of things. I admit that.

"I have had ample opportunity to observe poor adults. But beyond that, I also have real world facts to go by too that corraborate what I saw first hand." I won't doubt you there.

I truely think all kidding and prodding aside now, and as supported by your stats, that most poverty isn't just one simple characteristic, "in general" the smarter you are the better chance you have of acquiring skills but also in making betterlong term decisions, as well as more cohesive plans for the future.

Additionally, like you've stated, how people end up on drugs, fathering or mothering kids they can't provide for adaquately, all of that is poor decision making, which in part of intelligence, but I think it's economic choices, and personal lifestyle choices that play the largest role in whether you're improverished or not. Intelligence is a role player too but not the only factor. I think we agree that there simply is more then one single cause of poverty.

You can also be intelligent but make poor decisions, or stupid, but make lucky and good decisions. Whether or not you are likely to be in an economic position to make those decisions is a factor of intelligence but not the only one.

As for who makes those decisions, let me be clear, nobody is responsible for the decisions you make except yourself. You have to live with the consequences good or bad, that's understood by me at least lol, naive and young as I may be.

It's been fun discussing but I've gotta dissappear for a bit. Have a great afternoon.
on Nov 22, 2006
For the record, any time in my life that I have been poor, is because I've made some foolish decision, been messed up on drugs and/or alcohol, been incarcerated, or some other non-smart(stupid) maneuver.

It's not very often that I am poor, not even now, though I'm moving in that direction rapidly. I can't stand being poor, it's just lame, and I'm not really a lamer. If I tend to linger at the bottom of the food chain, it's because I'm feeling sorry for myself, or trying to blame somebody for my predicament. It happens, you'd be well advised to realize this, or you're never going to move upward. Notice the correlation between the words "motivate" and "move".

Also FTR, the lowest IQ test I have taken is 129, and the highest was 142, for whatever thats worth. These tests were taken long before I started frying my brain with various substances. But it still doesn't detract from the fact that: "smart people sometimes do some very stupid things".

I hold a fair amount of skills, and if I linger with the poor, I really have nobody to blame but myself. You many have read were I got screwed over by my last boss. This happens. When I started this particular job, I was earning $43.10 as an industrial/commercial painter. That helped me a lot to pay off many of the stupid decisions I've made over the years. And BTW, I was actually screwed over, and well, we will see just how profitable that can be as well. I'll let you know how the lawsuit turns out.

But for now, I need to motivate again, or I will surely languish in poverty; and that would be yet another stupid decision on my part.
on Mar 25, 2008
I think that you are ignorant most likely never had to face any real troubles in life.
"all you have to do is work hard in life and everything will be fine." what a joke. Sometimes no matter how hard people work despite there best efforts something out of there control happens. We are a commercial driven society most people want to live the dream have nice vehicle, buy a house and everything else. some people get laid off but are still stuck with an expensive mortgage and get stuck in a hole. were not all not fucking Christians sometimes condoms break, supporting a child when your not prepared can be tough. I knew a girl who was a single mom age 21 with a 5yo kid looks bad, I shook my head at first and thought stupid girl, but if you look deeper you would see that her mom was a poor alcoholic who kicked her out of her house when she was 14yo! tell me what you do, where would you go at only 14! what goods working hard going to do at 14?
first thing she did is basic instinct find shelter, with some abusive guy who knocked her up and left her with a kid. a friend of mine who i when't to school with was the smartest guy I knew, no joke I used to copy his work alot lol he even got a paid schooler ship to university! I not sure why but for some reason he decided to try heroin, last i heard from him his life was a mess. so what does being smart have to do with it he was a smart hard worker and now is poor as hell. On the flip side some of the stupidest laziest people I know are rich cause they had a walk through guide of their life provided by their rich parents showing them the secrets to success then holding their hand every step of the way to ensure they get a nice cushy little job
my mom was a single parent who worked her ass off to provide an ok border line poor life, also who would later become my step father declared bankruptcy after losing $200,000 he invested in his company that crushed he couldn't even get a job as being a bank manger anywhere after that because they didn't want to hire someone who's credit had been messed up. so you'd better watch your mouth before you go calling my mom or step dad stupid.
on Mar 26, 2008
so you'd better watch your mouth before you go calling my mom or step dad stupid.


Taking it personally? I was poor growing up, but my mother was not stupid! She did make some stupid decisions, one of which I am very glad of (she did not abort me).

But perhaps before deciding that there is only black and white, you should look for the exceptions and understand that any generalized statement may be true in general (redundant I know), but that exceptions are the reason we are all not 5'10" 170 pound brown skinned robots.
on May 20, 2008
we should off people who are mentally disabled.

Well that guarantees no future Republican presidents.
on May 25, 2008
we should off people who are mentally disabled.Well that guarantees no future Republican presidents.


No, but it would guarantee a short life for you.
on May 25, 2008
No, but it would guarantee a short life for you.


Only because some psycho like you tried to murder me for the crime of being your moral, intellectual and emotional superior.

on May 26, 2008
Only because some psycho like you tried to murder me for the crime of being your moral, intellectual and emotional superior.


No, because stupid people are self terminating. Why waste the time killing someone who is too stupid to live?
on Mar 26, 2009

I don't think it's good to call less fortunate people stupid. But did you know that in sports field, Aaron Boone is a great athlete of baseball and might be a future Hall of Famer.  That’s why it’s so sad to hear news that he will be going under open-heart surgery.  He is the Houston Astro first or third basemen will be undergoing a surgical procedure on his aortic valve to correct a problem he's had for several years and it was just recently when the doctor recommend to have such open-heart surgery to secure his safety.  Among his many accomplishments was a game winning home run in Game 7 of the ALCS to put the Yankees into the World Series, and he was selected for the AL All Star team.  Let us hope it is a successful procedure and a speedy recovery for Aaron Boone. Gee, I just hope he will survive this heart surgery in order for him to continue give pride to his Houston people.

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