anybody planning on burning a US flag?

on Jun 23, 2005

Nothing. I would venture to say that in the majority of the US it won't even be enforced unless they need a 'technicality' charge to use to get someone for something else.

And that ignores the fact that the ACLU is just gonna have someone burn one the minute it goes into effect and fight it to the Supreme court, who will probably just overturn the law.

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MasonM

on Jun 23, 2005

Well, maybe this will turn out to be good for the Chinese economy when people start burning them all over the place. Most of the flags you can purchase these days seem to be made in China. How ironic is that?

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Dr Guy

on Jun 23, 2005

I waas thinking of having a BBQ this weekend and using one to start the grill. Is that too late?

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bakerstreet

on Jun 23, 2005

The irony is that there is no law against it now, and no one seems to be burning any. The day the law goes into effect, people will be burning them all of the place, I predict.

So, it kind of makes the law seem counterproductive. Laws to me should be things to address problems. Even if we accept the act as wrong, do we really have a flag burning problem? Most places where people would do this have statues forbidding burning anything anyway.

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on Jun 23, 2005

The day the law goes into effect, people will be burning them all of the place, I predict

--Kinda like drugs being outlaw (not counting med. marij.) now they are one of the largest 'blackmarket' products in america... :/

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Ionolast

on Jun 23, 2005

What about flags that have been torn or dropped on the ground?

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drmiler

on Jun 23, 2005

Well, maybe this will turn out to be good for the Chinese economy when people start burning them all over the place. Most of the flags you can purchase these days seem to be made in China. How ironic is that?

Not mine. The ones I buy are made in Valley Forge, PA. Thank God for the internet. I won't buy one from china.

What about flags that have been torn or dropped on the ground?

Hey Iconoclast.... The proposed bill woould not affect that. Only if burned in protest.

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Ionolast

on Jun 23, 2005

Hey Iconoclast.... The proposed bill woould not affect that. Only if burned in protest.

They would have to be dropped on the ground so that they could be burned in protest.

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Reiki-House

on Jun 23, 2005

This may become a bigger issue than anyone may think. There's no doubt in the universe that the US is becoming more of a totalitarian society every day. There are armed machine gun toting military/policemen in New York. There is the new student database being used to track all of America's kids for possible future military contact. News people have lost their jobs for stating what they believe to be true. Meanwhile, Bush's Administration use fake news reporters to write good happy news about Bush policies and making it as if it's real news. That's called lying and being deceitful. You have the internment camps being set up in the US right at this moment. You have elections done with machines which have been documented as unreliable and easy to corrupt. But mostly, for the totalitarian aspect, you have no public accountability whatsoever. And that's undeniable. There's billions of dolars missing from Iraq's treasury. Where did it go? No one who knows will say. That's not being accountable for your actions. Put it this way. If the same rule of law we have here was applied over there, the US would have many many people in prison right now. A business scammer like KennyBoy Lay will get some form of justice for their misdeeds and mismanagement of funds, however lenient. Halliburton executives were caught red-handed a couple years back, they were taking millions of dollars in bribe money. They never faced the music as they would in a western democratic society, which is what the US is claiming they're trying to bring to Iraq.
Burning Monk:
This is a prime example of why the US was never able to defeat the Vietnamese. The views on life over there are very different from over here. They are a braver society there is no doubt. In contrast, recall the lame self-made 'fireball' the American guy at the Pentagon protest. Sad.

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drmiler

on Jun 23, 2005

This may become a bigger issue than anyone may think. There's no doubt in the universe that the US is becoming more of a totalitarian society every day. There are armed machine gun toting military/policemen in New York. There is the new student database being used to track all of America's kids for possible future military contact. News people have lost their jobs for stating what they believe to be true. Meanwhile, Bush's Administration use fake news reporters to write good happy news about Bush policies and making it as if it's real news. That's called lying and being deceitful. You have the internment camps being set up in the US right at this moment. You have elections done with machines which have been documented as unreliable and easy to corrupt. But mostly, for the totalitarian aspect, you have no public accountability whatsoever. And that's undeniable. There's billions of dolars missing from Iraq's treasury. Where did it go? No one who knows will say. That's not being accountable for your actions. Put it this way. If the same rule of law we have here was applied over there, the US would have many many people in prison right now. A business scammer like KennyBoy Lay will get some form of justice for their misdeeds and mismanagement of funds, however lenient. Halliburton executives were caught red-handed a couple years back, they were taking millions of dollars in bribe money. They never faced the music as they would in a western democratic society, which is what the US is claiming they're trying to bring to Iraq.
Burning Monk:
This is a prime example of why the US was never able to defeat the Vietnamese. The views on life over there are very different from over here. They are a braver society there is no doubt. In contrast, recall the lame self-made 'fireball' the American guy at the Pentagon protest. Sad.

Talk about lame! This is the sorriest excuse of a post I've ever seen! You don't seem to know alot about the vietnam war. The reason we did not win is this. We were NOT ALLOWED to. To many political back dealings. Try looking up the military no-fly over Hanoi clown! And just an FYI..... seeing how you don't seem to know to much about america either, let me give you a hand. Machine gun toting police? Yep, have been for quite awhile! They're called SWAT as in Special Weapons and Tactics. Now go back to school.

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Demosthenes Locke

on Jun 23, 2005

There are armed machine gun toting military/policemen in New York.

Reiki, have you been to NY to see this, or are you basing on a picture you sawin a newspaper?

I live in Manhattan, walk to work every day, and spend a decent amount of time in the subways commuting around. These guys are usually stationed in or around the major commuting ports like the train stations and have been for years. Sometimes they'll be out in force if there's someone of political significance around, and only to see that person into their hotel safely. If I saw patrols of cops walking the streets armed with machine guns and asking for papers, then I might give slight credence to that portion of your post. On the whole, cop cars driving the streets, or those meter maid carts are much more prevalent than any machine gun toting military-looking types.

Based on personal experience, I'd have to say it falls flat.

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on Jun 24, 2005

RH, seems to base his/her opinons on a fairy land america...

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Chakgogka

on Jun 24, 2005

Most of the flags you can purchase these days seem to be made in China. How ironic is that?

Actually it's very ironic. Flag burning is a crime according to the Law of the National Flag of the People's Republic of China.

Hint: With all due regard for the sensibilities of those offended by flag burning, maybe getting more like China is not the best way for the US to go.

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bakerstreet

on Jun 24, 2005

"Hint: With all due regard for the sensibilities of those offended by flag burning, maybe getting more like China is not the best way for the US to go."

I'm not sure our Liberals will listen to you, considering they are shoving us in that direction as hard as they can in every other way. They'd probably accept the flag thing if such totalitarianism allowed them to shove us further left.

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kingbee

on Jun 24, 2005

the sponsor--cunningham--is being investigated for selling his home to the ceo of a defense contractor for $700k more than it was worth. he's been living on the same ceo's yacht as well. he then purchased a 2.5 mil home from another guy who was an executive with a company that was the third largest donor to cunningham's campaigns.

in other words, he's trying to wrap his scandal in the flag.